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News Stating the Obvious Stating The Obvious Dean Allen Supports Banning Ron Paul & His Supporters in Email to SCGOP Chairman
News Stating the Obvious Stating The Obvious Dean Allen Supports Banning Ron Paul & His Supporters in Email to SCGOP Chairman
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15 November 2011
Email from Dean Allen to SCGOP Chairman Chad Connelly and several others:
Date: Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 7:23 PM
Subject: Disrespect shown at Presidential debates
To:
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Hon. Chad Connelly
Chairman
SC GOP
Dear Chad,
I attended the Presidential Debate last night at Wofford College. Overall, this was a wonderful evening. Everyone was well dressed, and it was an opportunity to visit and socialize with so many dear friends who share my love for the SCGOP, our state and our nation.
The debate was a chance to showcase Wofford, Spartanburg, and the SCGOP to a national audience.
However, there was one glaring problem that ruined our enjoyment of the debate, and was a major embarassment to all of us in front of a national TV audience.
I refer to the boorish behavior of the Ron Paul idiots who repeatedly disregarded clear instructions to tone down the lengthy, and at times inappropriate, applause. Then these same fools crossed a line and actually booed a Republican candidate who was speaking.
We all have strongly held beliefs. Most of us are supporting one of the candidates and have strong disagreements with a few of the others. However, we have been raised by our parents to show some manners, dignity, and respect for ourselves and others that is clearly lacking in the Ron Paul supporters. You simply do not boo Republican speakers at Republican events. This is particularly offensive when it is done for the specific purpose of embarassing the SCGOP and our candidates before a national audience.
One of these Ron Paul supporters, Brian Frank, was seated directly in front of me in the audience last night. He was one of the worst offenders. I noticed he was gone after the first hour of the debate and wondered if perhaps he had been ejected from the arena for his repeated misbehavior? He called me on the phone this morning and told me why he left after the first hour.
You will find this hard to believe it is so obnoxious. He said, he and many other Ron Paul supporters were only in the audience for the specific purpose of booing other candidates; and, after the first hour, because they were no longer showing their rear end to a national TV audience and embarassing us, they then left!
I was flabbergasted! Not only did they act in a crude and disrespectful manner; they actually had no interest in the proceedings, other than to disrupt them. There were hundreds of Wofford students who did not get tickets to the event in the lottery. There were hundreds of long time GOP activists who did not get tickets. These Ron Paul supporters had tickets, misbehaved, and then walked out of the event. This is simply deplorable.
I am furious about this. I feel like someone who has been stolen from, or victimized in some other manner. I am also frustrated that this very small minority of the people in the audience were able to make all of us look disrespectful to a national audience.
I believe this is a pattern of intentional misbehavior by Ron Paul supporters, that appears to have the tacit approval of Ron Paul himself because HE does not ask them to stop misbehaving and show some respect.
I believe in all future SC GOP events, we should either ban Ron Paul supporters, or, ban Ron Paul himself.
Frankly, if there is any legal way to do it; I believe we should give Ron Paul his money back, take his name off the SC GOP primary ballot and tell him to go join the Occupy Wall Street movement since he clearly has no respect for the Republican Party and does not know how to behave in polite society.
One Wofford professior did speak to some of them about booing during the debate. All they did was laugh at him, ignore his pleas for decorum; and, continue to misbehave.
Unless you, and the SC GOP Executive Committee take some action and sanction Ron Paul in some manner, this atrocious pattern of misbehavior is likely to continue to be repeated; further eroding respect for the SCGOP and its Executive Committee.
I urge you, and the Executive Committee to take some action on this matter, if it is nothing more than a public censure that is communicated to the mass media and includes an apology to Wofford College, CBS, the National Journal, and the American people for the boorish and highly inappropriate behavior of Ron Paul supporters.
As you know, law enforcement was very visible and on high alert to prevent the Occupy Wall Street crowd across from the campus from marring our event. Regrettably, we allowed the same sort of behavior from Ron Paul demonstrators inside the arena and no action was taken to remove them at the first offense.
I plan to bring a motion to censure the Ron Paul supporters before the next Greenville County Executive Committee meeting and I hope it is copied in other counties as well.
Respectfully,
Dean Allen
(843) 597-7459
Well, there you have it. The almighty Dean Allen has recommended banishment for those who disagree with his statist, old guard, establishmentarian, Lindsey Graham version of the SCGOP. It seems, however, that Mr. Allen wants to eat his cake and have it, too.
For those of you not familiar with Mr. Allen, he is the man who raised a lot of money with a machine gun social fundraiser in his 2010 run for SC Adjutant General and then suddenly quit the race. Mr. Allen is also the man who, as a GOP activist, loudly and repeatedly denounced Lindsey Graham. He at first seemed to support Bob Conley's run to replace Graham and then very publicly announced that he would instead vote for Lindsey Graham over the much more conservative Conley due to the fact that Graham was a member of the GOP while Conley was running as a conservative Democrat. In the end, Allen didn't have the guts to buck the liberal GOP establishment. He turned out to have more of a "meow" than a "roar" in that case.
So if "politics over principle" is your thang, if being squishy over having a spine makes you tingly all over, if rubbing muzzles with Lindsey Graham instead of standing up against a turncoat in the party has some appeal, and if quitting instead of putting up a good fight until the end is your modus operandi, you may need to join up with Dean Allen and get absolutely NOTHING done but propagate the same old tired nonsense that has mired the GOP down as a corrupt facilitator of the financially unsustainable corporate welfare state and political favor factory.
Yes, as you can probably guess, Dean Allen is my all time favorite "pretend" tea partier. He makes a big theatrical uproar over issues many are upset about but, though perhaps he actually has done some good in the distant past, he has apparently gone toothless in recent years, obviously preferring, in the end, to just love on and get along with the corrupt establishment instead. I think the ammunition is missing from his machine gun. Some "fighter" he has turned out to be.
Do I sound bitter? Yeah, maybe I am. I tried to forgive Allen's turncoat behavior in the past and supported him (admittedly, for what little it was worth) in 2010 for Adjutant General. I utterly regret that support now.
Dean Allen attended the debate last Saturday (Nov. 12, 2011) in Spartanburg and, as indicated in his letter above, was very, very upset--to the point of whining to the SCGOP Chairman--about the booing by many members of the audience (that he seems to think were exclusively Ron Paul supporters). It seems they were, as I was, shocked by a statement Romney made supporting the assassination/murder of American citizens (unconstitutional) solely at the discretion of the executive branch (unconstitutional) in a country with which we are not at war (also unconstitutional).
Mr. Allen's histrionics seem quite unjustified to me since the booing was, in reality, very, very mild. I was there, too, and I was actually surprised and disappointed that there was not a louder reaction to Romney's defiance of the U.S. Constitution in the case of assassinated US citizens. Why even bother having a Constitution if our government refuses to obey the rule of law? Romney routinely complains that Obamacare is unconstitutional but apparently, like many others on the stage, throws out the legal restrictions when it comes to satisfying his bloodthirsty constituents.
But, hey! Please, don't believe me about the volume of the booing. Please watch the Youtube.com video embedded above and listen for yourself. By gosh, let's get a realistic perspective on what happened!
The real reason for Allen's discomfort maybe that the Ron Paul supporters there did some cheering before the debate started, as well as later during the commercial breaks, and applauded Paul loudly on the rare occasions where he got to speak (a grand total of only 89 seconds despite his prominence in the polls well above all but two or three of pack--all the rest were given more time on a topic Paul is well known to be very knowledgeable about). Though several candidates' camps attempted to compete in a like manner in rounds of cheering and applause, their attempts were pathetically light compared to the Paul supporters. If nothing else, the booing of Romney demonstrated for everyone who might have some doubts that there are some of us, Ron Paul supporters or not, who have a heart and a mind and understand the rule of law and the flagrant violation of the law by President Obama. We made no rationalizations for illegal behavior. Fortunately for us, there is one candidate, Ron Paul, who will actually obey the supreme law of the land in ALL matters.
Dean Allen, in the email to SCGOP Chairman Chad Connelly, picks out Brian Frank, a political grenade thrower who has been on the scene in South Carolina for several years now. Allen paints Brian Frank as being typical of Ron Paul supporters. Nothing could be further from the truth. Brian Frank does what Brian Frank wants to do. No one has ever been able to "control" him though many have tried. Brian Frank truly does not act like the typical Ron Paul supporter. Brian Frank has, on internet forums, actually criticized Ron Paul for not being enough like Ron Paul in his judgement. Yeah. You read that right.
In addition to his prolific commentary on the internet, Brian Frank has achieved quite a bit of fame/infamy for his videos of various politicians being embarrassed by the facts or by unfriendly crowds. Some of his videos have, in addition to being widely circulated on YouTube.com, made local and national news. One in particular of Lindsey Graham's being protested was all over television for a day or two.
Whether you like Brian Frank and his tactics or not, he does make things happen and puts pressure on wimpy politicians with his tactics. He can be disruptive and sometimes the political "grenades" he tosses out there blow up on allies as well but I'd rather have someone who cares and attempts to do the right thing, even if unpleasant at times, and continually stands up for what he believes. I'd rather deal with the problems Brian Frank sometimes causes than to have a spineless blowhard huff and puff and then run off wheezing from all the excitement and exertion as Allen routinely does. While Brian Frank may sometimes be an inelegant solution to a difficult problem, Dean Allen is pretty much a non-solution to every problem.
Remember Dean Allen's words: "You simply do not boo Republican speakers at Republican events." His draconian "final solution" to the presence of Ron Paul supporters at future debates is especially disturbing in the precedent it would set. In fact, I'm amazed that Allen's sensibilities were not so upset as to cause a stroke when he viewed the much louder and sustained booing of Ron Paul on September 12, 2011 that took place at the CNN/Tea Party debate in Tampa, Florida when Ron Paul defied the establishment's assertions regarding the reasons behind the 9/11 attacks.
(The first thing my father said when I asked him his thoughts regarding the attacks was, "If you stir up a nest of rattlesnakes, you're going to get bit." He was right--it's only common sense. We can't afford to be the policemen of the world and the CIA coined term of "blowback" was invented to describe just the sort of events that occurred on 9/11. I mean, for God's sake, we don't need to go around asking for trouble by our bad behavior. Our interference in the affairs of what should be sovereign countries is as flagrant as it is illegal under our own laws and would be a justifiable cause for war against any country who tried to do the same to us.)
Dean Allen has a real problem with his call for banishment of Ron Paul and his supporters: by Mr. Allen's idiotic and fascist logic, presumably all of the candidates and their supporters, EXCEPT for Ron Paul and his, should have been thereafter banned from the debates after what happened in Tampa two months ago. Somehow, I doubt Dean would like that idea. I don't either. I want there to be a vigorous debate. I want citizen involvement. I want people to react--anything that doesn't disrupt a debate or other proceeding much more than the booing, pro-establishment crowd did in Tampa should be welcomed in a free country. Such behavior is much milder and more civilized than many of the debates that occur on a routine basis in England's parliament or even in our own U.S. Congress.
Dean Allen obviously has an arrogant and elitist view of the party and the younger folks coming in who don't quite agree with him and others in the GOP. He would rather self-anointed elites run the show no matter how much he disagrees with some of his fellows on certain subjects every once in a while.
If Dean Allen is idiotic enough to actually follow through with his stated intention and attempt to pass a resolution in the Greenville GOP censuring Ron Paul supporters for what he considers bad behavior, to be fair, he will also need to pass a resolution censuring other candidates' supporters for their booing in Tampa. If he attempts to justify a one-sided resolution based on the fact that he thinks it was in-state supporters in South Carolina vs. out-of-state supporters doing the booing in Spartanburg, again, to be fair, he'll have to identify the people who booed to verify this assertion as well as making sure none of our state GOP members were among those booing Ron Paul in Tampa.
I offer these suggestions in jest of course. As a practical matter, Allen apparently can't identify many Ron Paul supporters who were booing besides Brian Frank. He therefore can't meet a fair and equitable standard of proof for his assertion in singling out Paul supporters. Additionally, he doesn't care when Ron Paul is booed for speaking up for his much more moral, consistent, and legally justifiable views on foreign policy and therefore won't apply the same solution for those candidates and their supporters who agree with him about Ron Paul.
In the end, however, I think we'll find that this is just another case of Dean Allen being a whining blow hard. He'll huff and puff for a while and then go away with his tail between his legs--another case of a sheep in wolf's clothing and a true bellwether for the old guard GOP in South Carolina.
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Comments
See people like Dean Dvmbass are all about The Establishment and Tuition Extortion.
Don't be scared, be prepared vote for freedom and liberty in 2012!
And remember freedom means freedom FROM government and the essence of that freedom is the proper LIMITATION of government, not the EXCESS of it.
I've admitted that Allen has raised awful fusses in the past at Lindsey Graham and seems to support reform in some areas and acts as if he supports the tea party but when push comes to shove, he just ain't got it in him to finally break with the fascist, establishment wing of the GOP. He wound up very publicly supporting Lindsey Graham in 2008. I don't see Allen as someone who is necessarily supportive of any principle.
Quoting Matthew:
I have never worked with the Greenville Tea Party.
Quoting Matthew:
I have no idea what Lawton, Frank, and Allen may have been pursuing but I've made temporary alliances with people in order to help try to get some things done in the past. It happens. Politics makes strange bedfellows. Frankly, I don't blame anyone for taking what help they can get as long as they don't turn such temporary alliances into long term coalitions that become more about collecting power and prestige and personal favors than actually getting the morally, legally right things done.
usa.roar
we the people can't allow this!
Here's the link to the governors email
((http://www.governor.sc.gov/Pages/SendMessage.aspx))
Who ever heard of State Representatives using the State Employees Retirement Fund to enrich themselves? Yes they retire from office, but are still in office so they can collect more, from $10,000 pay to $30,000 retirement, plus generous expenses. These same Representatives and their Social Club Republicans are only in it for the money.
Guess what you poor State Employees and Teachers, if you die, your spouse only gets one year pay of your retirement. If you are a Representative and never paid for your retirement, your spouse gets to keep on collecting after you are dead. No wonder they do not want to leave office even when they are brain dead.
As far as Ron Paul, You can see it happening already, all the other candidates are now voicing Ron Paul views on cutting spending, not giving foreign aid, some others; but do they really mean it or are they just watching the polls? So they still support torture and they do not support the Constitution cause they are their for their own interests, the hell with the United States and Liberty.
As far as being a Delegate for Ron Paul, I believe you have to be a delegate or alternate to State Convention to qualify. I believe they lowered the number of positions this year, do you wonder why? So if you did not go to Republican Precinct Reorganization, they think they have already ruled you out.
Now make sure you know when your Republican Congressional District Convention is, if you were a delegate or alternate to the State Convention, then you qualify for the same here also. Your delegation may not have a full slate so if you show up, they may have to let you participate (rule of order vote?) Also you might be able to be elected as delegate and not be a voting participant at the Congressional District Convention. Go on line South Carolina Republican Party and read the party rules and find you best RP supporter who is a lawyer and develop a strategy.
Also, find out from your County Chair who qualifies as a Delegate and alternate. They have to give you the list of names, address, phone, and e-mail. If they donot call the State Party Chair and complain. This is a public election and public info.
Let the Chair know that you are interested in attending and voting if their is a slot available. Better to pretend to be uncommitted but new interested person at this point.
If RP wins the Primary, he still does not control the delegates. They only have to vote for him on the first ballot. That is why you have to participate even if you can not vote and try to access as to which Delegates can be trusted to stick with RP and try to get them elected.
Remember both Parties are really just Political Social Clubs that curry favor and jobs. These delegates will be given lavish parties and spreads of food and liquor to try to buy their vote. That's what endorsement is all about for some people, status of a promise of a job for someone.
This is not like signing the Declaration of Liberty, Here I Stake my Life, Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death. This is the Soviet Privileged Elite and onto you they will give economic enslavement, starvation, and death. If you do not take the proper civil action now you may well be the next Greece.
May GOD Bless Ron Paul.
Better to vote with a clean conscience then to continue to vote for the lesser of two evils.
Fas·cism [fá shìzzəm]
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dictatorial movement: any movement, ideology, or attitude that favors dictatorial government, centralized control of private enterprise, repression of all opposition, and extreme nationalism
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Dean,
The mask is off. By wanting RP supporters and RP himself from the debates and even have Rp OFF THE BALLOT, proves that YOURE WORTHY OF MUSSOLINI ITALY. Who the hell made you the POPE OF THE SCGOP? That’s right, ban the heretic paul for opposing ur war-orgasims. Why don’t u just call for rp to be executed.
You're a fascist brown shirt and this proves it. You’re a right wing version of the leftwing fascists at Morris Dees SPLC and the crowd at MSNBC.
I am emailing this to everybody.
CHRIS GOLDEN
Mr. Allen, the old guard of the GOP, and the dumbasses of the various co-opted Tea Party factions need to come to grips: If anyone other than Ron Paul is nominated - Ogolfer will win. The lesser of two evils isn't an option for us anymore.
So which branch of the military have you served in Mr. Allen? Or were you too "busy" to be bothered protecting our country, Constitution and Bill of Rights?, Thank God our Military DOES believe in our Constitution, Liberty and Freedom!
Have you and your fellow CHICKEN-hawk, NEO-CON Nazi party buddies in the GOP Ever even given ONE Second of thought about our brave Military and their families? I doubt very much that you ever consider what they and their families endure to insure that Americans continue to enjoy our Freedoms and Liberty, which you and your twisted friends have systematically attempted to destroy! May God Bless and Protect our Military and their families!
Why don't you stop by the airport and get a nice grope from your TSA goons to make you feel better, maybe they can untwist you undies for you! Just pray that you don't find Your own name on that "Kill List" that you are so passionate about. By the way, OVER 60% of Americans with working brain REJECT McRomney! just wait till the media finishes digging thru the piles of dung that represents Newt's career, Another REJECT! The SLEEPING GIANT IS FULLY AWAKE Mr. Allen, you better go hide under your bed!
You can't silence an idea whose time has come.
cheers
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